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  Holy Spirit not in the Halls

  by purplesofa in

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  at at district convention, the speaker at the beginning, saying how we need to take notes.....listen, don't miss anything....sleep well at night .

  no walking in the halls, hanging out in the halls.......... jehovahs spirit is in the auditorium, not in the halls!

  you will only recieve jah's hs in the auditorim.

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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  Come on!! There is too some holy spirit in the bathrooms. I mean, come on!
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  My UN email to my dad, he called the Writing Dept (this is long)

  by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

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  date:tue, sep 26, 2006 11:47 am with good advice that i received at this site, i presented my questioning with a soft start... tell me what you think please.

  yes, thank you, nice pictures.

  i didn't recognize uncle ____.your place looks great.

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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  forgot to attach his first email statement:

  I am surprised that you are concerned about the Brothers being in
  attendance at the UN. But remember the scriptures say Jesus followers
  would not be part of the world. That goes without saying that we don't
  participate even in the UN. Remember how in some of the magazines,
  Awake & WT, how there were articles that were written by brothers who
  went out to gather information and they were referred to as reporters?
  The NGO Section is for people from organizations that apply for I.D.
  Passes so they may enter the UN grounds so they can attend briefings,
  forums of those who discuss current issues that are before the UN. They
  are NOT members of the United Nations.
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  What are the 5 biggest WTS scandals?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  if any have followed my latest thead you know that i am scheduled for 'termination' by a jc in about two weeks time.. i am deciding what if anything to do about the matter - i.e; da letter, just ignore and let then df me, or some other option.

  one appealing option is writng a da letter, not to the elders, but instead to three or four former friends in the truth, explaining the reasons for my exit, based entirely on conscience.

  i have the base of this letter underway, but would like to list succinctly three or four of the more significant matters of moral interpetude by the wts.

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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  Congratulations on your coming disassociation from false religion and mental abuse. I just posted my UN letter to my dad in the Friends category, I made up the setting, and presented it as a meaningful object lesson or illustration. I worked on Use of Illustrations and Outlines a lot, and you probably can't see me gesture right now, but dammit, I'm gesturing. Maybe it will hepp u.
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  Book study conductor

  by sspo in

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  were you ever stuck with a book study conductor that was outright boring, with no teaching abilities .

  and there was nothing you could do about it but sit and fake it like you were spiritually fed and got stuck with him for years?

  ?.

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  Oh yes. The Greatest Mamba (The Greatest Man book) was terrible because it was so basic and there was probably 10% preparation in our group. The conductor was hardly ever prepared because it was so simplistic, and he'd just ramble about things he heard 15 years ago about Jesus.
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  My UN email to my dad, he called the Writing Dept (this is long)

  by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

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  date:tue, sep 26, 2006 11:47 am with good advice that i received at this site, i presented my questioning with a soft start... tell me what you think please.

  yes, thank you, nice pictures.

  i didn't recognize uncle ____.your place looks great.

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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  Date : Tue, Sep 26, 2006 11:47 AM

  With good advice that I received at this site, I presented my questioning with a soft start... tell me what you think please. Yes, thank you, nice pictures. I didn't recognize Uncle ____.Your place looks great. Thanks for including me. I'm glad you took note of what I told you about _____ and _____, however it seems that the elders are more concerned with _____'s accusations about her than the other way around, but she's my sister, you know. I know that she'll do the right thing and I think she'll be ok. We did get our first snow on the mountains, and we've had such clear skies lately, the mountains are incredible. I'll send some pics. I am bothered by something I just read, and I've been thinking about it for days and figured I'd asked you, that you'd probably be able to explain it(?), here's how this came about: I have a co-worker who is an ex-Navy guy, was a Submariner, and in the late 80's thru 2002 worked some security positions in different capacities. We had a conversation about religion and I told him I was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, he said he knows a lot about them. I asked how and he said through a security detail he worked at the United Nations in NY. I asked him what the two had to do with each other and how this came about, and said that the Jehovah's Witnesses would come there. I asked what for (sure he's talking about someone else) and he said that they had a membership for many years and that he talked with several of them briefly a few times, like when he was checking passes. I said, that he must be mistaken about any sort of membership, and he said it was an NGO. He asked why I found his statement to be full of crap, and I explained briefly, but I was sure that he was talking about something else and I didn't want to piss him off too much because he's ex-military and a co-worker. So he started to explain it, but then just went to the official UN website, and after a few links (About the UN; NGO Section; Relevant Documents) I was looking at a document that appears to confirm what he said, it's just that he didn't understand why this bothered me so much and I didn't read the document too carefully because what I saw really troubled me. Do you know anything about this? I don't like the implication of this and am trying not to read anything into it. my dad's reply: GOOD MORNING. This morning I started thinking how you said you were bothered by the doc you read. I'm glad you were bothered by that and brought it to us, we know that was something that might bother some who do not understand our stand in the world and want clarification of that. So I went back on the UN web page and did more research. Last night when I was on that web page I did not open that "Relevant Doc." page that you mentioned. This morning I found the doc. and wasn't too surprised about the contents. Said that the Watchtower was granted association with the DPI, Dept. of Public Information in 1992 and that association was terminated in Oct. 2001 by the Society. Just after noon today, I called the Brothers in Brooklyn writing dept. about this, just finished a long conversation with them. I was informed that the brothers were using the UN LIBRARY ONLY, for research for our literature back in the 80's and 90's, and in 1991 they had to apply for a permit for continued use of the library, which was issued in 1992. The brothers saw no conflict with our beliefs and the application requirements. It is the UNITED NATIONS PEACE KEEPING ORGANIZATION and while we don't support their means of keeping peace we are peaceable. In 2001 the permit was cancelled by the Society because of adverse remarks by apostates. Isn't Satan shrewd!! ! Can you believe this crap? Like I said in my last e-mail, the brothers were only fact finding, gaining information related to topics that may be used in WT publications. In addition to what I was told no doubt the brothers saw they could get as much information through the News Media and Internet about the goings on at the UN than being in the UN's library. You will notice too, that the first attachment says much about religions that cause problems because of their teachings. The society does not get involved with situations like that as you know. Anyway, like I said last night, we are no part of the Political affairs of this world. In October, we will be in a world wide distribution of a message showing that "The End of False religion is Near". Mom and I are going to Rocky Point on the 14th for a week to help with that tract work there. Richard will be giving the public talk on Sunday, and _____ & ____ and ______ will be joining us on Tuesday. You had a hard time recognizing Uncle ____? Can understand that, he had a stroke not long ago and he is having a hard time getting back what he can. Like all of us here, we are not getting younger. Did you notice mom is blonde, she tells everyone its natural. Actually it all went grey last year. Aunt ____ is Pioneering again there in RP, Mex. Mom and I also and _____ and the boys are regular pioneers too. The ______s retired there some time ago. They have the beach house not too far out of town there but had a house built right next to the Kingdom Hall. _____ is PO of the congregation there in Rocky Pt., there are about 35 publishers there. ____ says if ____ were to die she would be close to the friends there. Their kids have the beach house and use it when they go down to Mex. We have been there and it is a very nice get away, right on the beach. We do not stay at the ______'s house in town or at the beach but stay in our Motor home at an RV park in town on the beach. Sandy Beach is all hi rise condos now and the RV parks in town will someday be replaced by more hi rises there. Until then we enjoy the beach when we can. One day it will all be ours. With love, Mom & Dad my reply: Thank you for the info. To gain access to the library one has to apply and meet certain criteria, according to the UN website and each paragraph of the statement by the UN rep, these include: **This organization applied for association with DPI in 1991 and was granted association in 1992. By accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities. However, please see below the paragraph included in all letters sent to NGOs approved for association in 1992: "Theprincipal purpose of association of non-governmental organizations with the United Nations Department of Public Information is the redissemination of information in order to increase public understanding of the principles, activities and achievements of the United Nations and its Agencies. Consequently, it is important that you should keep us informed about your organization's information programme as it relates to the United Nations, including sending us issues of your relevant publications. We are enclosing a brochure on the "The United Nations and Non-Governmental Organizations", which will give you some information regarding the NGO relationship." In addition, the criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI include the following: ? that the NGO share the principles of the UN Charter; ? operate solely on a not-for-profit basis; ? have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community; ? have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the cooperation of the media. ** I'm thinking of thousands of our brothers and sisters who were raped, killed, tortured and run out of their homes in Malawi for 10 years because they refused to alter their integrity by even a hair because of a 25 cent political card, when there was really only one party, the government, but perhaps we could have justified that too and called it a head tax and saved them so much suffering. . . . . .and here is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society--not a just 'some witnesses who used the UN Library', but the Faithful and Discreet Slave who applied for, agreed that they shared the principles of the UN in order to be an NGO with the DPI, and were found acceptable by the Scarlet Colored Wild Beast whom they condemn. . .and you find this acceptable because. . . they said it was to use the library? We, as Jehovah's organization, also agree with other religions on matters of peace just like the UN--so with the explanation that you were given by the Society today, should we logically gain acceptance and entrance with the religions too and use their information resources?? Would you go to a Mormon temple in order to access their extensive libraries, even if it didn't require 'membership'? To me this is like growing up with your mother telling you not to smoke because you'll go to hell, then years later finding out that your mother has been a smoker all along. I remember that the YMCA was taboo (or still is?) even if someone only joined in order to use fitness equipment available there--this was called interfaith and could result in disfellowshipping. What about those friends (including you guys) who wrote to your old churches to remove your names from their lists when you came into the truth, so that you would have really and truly 'got out of her' (false religion)!?! Have I missed something? Is the UN not still the Scarlet Colored Wild Beast that is being ridden by a drunken religious harlot, with which we will have absolutely no association? Does not Jehovah provide enough spiritual food to the Faithful and Discreet Slave so that they would not have to agree to spiritual adultery with one of God's chief enemies for information????? Or would this only qualify as 'spiritual heavy petting and loose conduct' rather than spiritual adultery? Today I asked elders in the congregation I have been attending occasionally these same questions (sort of) and they said they will get back to me. I'm sorry I seem to have gone on, but I am absolutely floored by this. Everything was always black and white on matters such as this. I shall await his glorious response. . .
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  "You are the connection to evil." (or, my JW sisters and me)

  by Fleur in

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  why is it that i have known for so long what to expect of my jw relatives, and they continue to exceed my expectations for crazy-making behavior, yet still sometimes, i am blindsided by a comment so out of left field, so removed from the way that i see my world and the way that i live my life (or try to)...why does it still hurt?.

  i have posted before about my sisters.

  the oldest is a pioneer and elder's wife.

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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  What shame on her to treat you like that.

  Hence the saying: FRIENDS are God's way of apologizing to you for your family.
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  Help! Can someone please post letters/evidence on the UN scandal. . .

  by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

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  i want to try to reach my dad with this proof.

  i have found pieces but would like to have everything in one neat location.

  even if it's in previous posts it will help.. thanks..

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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  Of course I didn't.

  Thanks.
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  Help! Can someone please post letters/evidence on the UN scandal. . .

  by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

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  i want to try to reach my dad with this proof.

  i have found pieces but would like to have everything in one neat location.

  even if it's in previous posts it will help.. thanks..

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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  I want to try to reach my dad with this proof. I have found pieces but would like to have everything in one neat location. Even if it's in previous posts it will help.

  Thanks.
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  Agent Smith's story

  by AgentSmith in

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  i was born into a jw family.

  my father's parents were jw.

  my mother?s family was a big mix.

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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  Thanks and welcome!
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  DO THE GB 'BIND THINGS ON EARTH"?

  by Mary in

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  we all know that the the wts does not believe in the catholic church's claim to having the keys of the kingdom or to "bind on earth the things bound in heaven" as it states im matthew 16:19.. my question is: does the society teach that whatever decisions the governing body makes is "bound in heaven"?

  i tried finding something on the wt cd rom but couldn't find anything.. .

  is there an official or even unofficial view of the gb and this scripture?.

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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  You probably did a search by verse already?